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Let Us Live Together In Israel/Palestine

by

Kamal Nawash and Yehuda Schwartz

President Obama has publicly announced that Israel should withdraw from Palestinian territories that it conquered in 1967. Not surprisingly, the leaders of Israel and the American Jewish community have quickly announced their opposition. They argue that withdrawing from 1967 Palestinian lands will leave Israel vulnerable while others argue that the 1967 territories, which include the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, are integral parts of Israel and refer to the territories as Judea, Samaria and Azza.

On record, the leaders of the Palestinian Authority are the ones who call for the creation of Palestine on the 1967 territories as part of a two state solution. However, it is questionable whether most Palestinians believe in the two state solution. The majority of Palestinians originated from Israel proper so even if the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza accept separation, it is doubtful whether the rest of the Palestinians will permanently accept the two state solution since it will deprive them of their ancestral homes.

Most Israelis and Palestinians believe that Israel/Palestine is indivisible. For many Palestinians, Palestine is not the West Bank and Gaza. It includes all of Israel. For many Israelis, Israel includes all of Palestine. And both claim Jerusalem. Thus, the two state solution requires compromises that neither side can ever make.

Consequently, an increasing number of Israelis and Palestinians understand that separation is not the answer. It was not an answer in the United States, nor was it an answer in South Africa. Rather, the answer lies in a shared future. The authors of this article share this vision. We have accepted the realty that we must live together and share Israel/Palestine as citizens and countrymen in a united country. We envision a confederation of Israel and Palestine where each state contributes 50% to the national parliament.

We are using social media such as facebook to communicate our message. We believe that Israelis and Palestinians are equals, who were joined together by destiny, history, religious lineage and genetics. We envision a prosperous union, at peace with its neighbors that shares the stage with rising powers such as China, Brazil, South Korea and India. We want to live and love each other. Our numbers continue to grow even as we have to deal with Jews who falsely accuse us of wanting to destroy Israel and Palestinians who accuse us of being Zionist traitors.

Among the more recent leaders of a shared future are Yehuda Schwartz, Kamal Nawash, Josef Avesar, Mazin Qumsiyeh, Tsvi Misinai, Ali Abunimah and Gershon Baskin to name a few. We understand that Jews and Palestinians have a right to live in Israel/Palestine and that it is inherently unfair that an American Jew can move to Israel and become a citizen while a Palestinian who emigrates from Jerusalem is not allowed to return.

Unity can work. Israel's population includes 1.5 million Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship. Despite complaints of discrimination, they have lived with Jews in peace since the creation of Israel. Another example is the Old City of Jerusalem. It includes Muslims, Jews, Christians, Armenians and various ethnicities. They live in harmony.

We are realistic and we understand that for a shared future to occur, we must address the fear of the parties. We understand that Jews fear a democratic union with Palestinians because the Palestinians may outnumber Jews one day and "vote Israel out of existence." Palestinians fear that Jews will always persecute them. We believe that both people's fears may be addressed as follows:

We propose creating a confederation of two states united by a federal type government with limited powers. While both states may have the right to limit migration initially, the foundation of the nation should be based on the free movement of labor and people. To the extent that Israelis move to Palestine and Palestinians to Israel, the demographic consequences of the migration can be avoided by having their votes count in their respective state, for state and local politics, regardless of where they live. This approach will totally avoid the demographic fear that Israelis have of joining a union with Palestinians.

As to the national government, Israel (Jews) and Palestine (Muslims and Christians) shall each contribute 50% to the national parliament regardless of their populations. With this solution, Jews do not have to fear political dilution from potential demographic changes and the Palestinians do not have to fear discrimination and persecution from Israelis.

As to the President and Prime Minister of the national government of Israel/Palestine, they should be elected by the national parliament. Being that the parliament is divided 50/50 no Palestinian or Israeli can win without support from parliamentarians of the other state. This will guarantee that no Palestinian or Israeli extremist can become president or prime minister of Israel/Palestine.

As to the right of return for Palestinians and Jews, both shall have the right to move to the new nation. However, initially, Palestinians should move to Palestine and Jews should move to Israel. After five years of living in the confederation, the returning citizen shall have the right to live anywhere he/she wants. Further, to avoid sudden changes that cause fear, for those who live in the new confederation at its establishment date, each state may limit the number of people moving to their state from the other state to 10,000 per year. Each state shall have the right to accept more residents from the other state or remove the quota all together. The quota shall not apply to people who move for employment purposes.


Initially, the national government should have limited powers similar to the United States government in the early days of the Union. As time progresses and both Israelis and Palestinians feel more comfortable with each other, the power of the national government be increased.

On economic matters, Israel and Palestine shall act as one nation in all instances with no exception. They shall have the same currency, no tariffs and complete free trade. No state shall have the authority to benefit its local industry to the detriment of the other state. In the early days of the national government, its goal should be to promote unity and to bring jobs and economic prosperity to both Israelis and Palestinians. This should be an easy task. A peaceful Israel and Palestine acting as one nation should be a gold mine the likes of which the world has never seen. A nation that is the birth place of western civilization and immensely revered by Jews, Christians and Muslims, religious tourism alone will guarantee a healthy economy.

However, the economy will have more than tourism to secure its prosperity. The technical know-how of Israel, the available wealth in the Arab world and a geography that is at the intersection of three continents can produce an economic power house that is second to none on a per capita basis.

As to military, there shall be a national military and each state may have a national guard. In the beginning, the Israeli military may be dedicated as the national guard of Israel to calm the fears of Jews from the Union. The national military should be treated as a protector of the nation and promoter of unity. It should be divided equally between Jews and Palestinians.


This proposed solution will give Palestinians and Israelis most of what they want while allowing both people to keep their individual identity and feel secure. Moreover, with this solution, Jerusalem becomes a non-issue and borders become less relevant. This solution will basically take Israelis and Palestinians back to the time before the first intifada (uprising) began in 1987 with rights and equality that they never had under the occupation.

To summarize, we are asking the Palestinians and Israelis to reach out to each other and say the following:

Palestinians to Jews
"We understand why the state of Israel is important to you. We are fully aware of the persecution that Jews suffered throughout history and the necessity of having a safe haven for Jews. We also understand that Jews have historical and religious ties to Israel/Palestine. We believe that every Jew shall have the right to move to Israel and become a citizen immediately. We also welcome Jews to visit and to reside in Palestine. We want the Palestinians and Israelis to live together as neighbors, friends and countrymen. In return, what we want is freedom, liberty and equality for the Palestinians. Will you meet us half way?"

Jews to Palestinians
"We understand why Palestine is important to you. We are fully aware of the suffering the Palestinians have experience over the last 100 years and the necessity of having a safe haven for Palestinians. We also understand that Palestinians have historical, religious and emotional ties to Israel/Palestine. We believe that every Palestinian shall have the right to move to Palestine and become a citizen immediately. We also welcome the Palestinians to visit and to reside in Israel. We want the Palestinians and Israelis to live together as neighbors, friends and countrymen. In return, what we want is permanent security, equality and the freedom to be Jews. Will you meet us half way?"

We are Palestinians and Israelis, Jews, Christians and Muslims who want to live together as brothers and neighbors in Israel/Palestine. We have dreams of creating a new promise land. We want to drive to Jerusalem for breakfast and Amman for lunch. We don't want to destroy Israel nor do we want to persecute or torment the Palestinians. We want a better Israel that joins with Palestine to form a more perfect union of hope and an example for mankind.

We know that our vision will prevail because a two state solution will never lead to peace.

Posted May 29, 2011 by Kamal Nawash

Comments

When did Jews, Muslims, and Christians start living in peace in the old city? What about Christians in Bethlehem?

No, your ideas are based on wishful thinking absent a strong foundation made with a good plan.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Andrew Whitehead

This is the obvious answer to the Isreali-Palestinian riddle. However, to get to the promised land there will have to be a new outcry among the population of both groups directed at the extremists in both camps to "Let my people go!" Think of Moses and how much he had to sacrifice to bring hope to the people. Without a courageous outpouring of citizen-power, which will require much sacrifice, the problem will forever remain in the hands of the corrupt, the bigoted and the extremist elements on both sides. Do the peace-loving citizens have the courage to take this stand? I certainly hope so.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Jonathan Cole

How utopian! I imagine that all the liberals in the USA agree with this vision. I, however, disagree. Although YOU may want to live side by side, and many Jews may want the same, there are far too many radical Muslims who would just as soon murder children and babies in their beds. Therefore, until YOU, followers of Islam, rip out the fundamentalists by their roots forever, dreams such as your do not stand a chance. Unfortunately, that is a reality. Also, Israel is THE Jewish state. It can never and should never be anything close to 50/50. Sorry to disappoint you. Palestinians were only recently called 'Palestinians'. Prior to that they went by the name 'Arab'. They were part of Jordan. Why don't they ever pressure Jordan to give them land and citizenship first, before pressuring Israel and the Jews? Why not?

Posted May 31, 2011 by nancy

It is true that Israelis and Palestinians both claim much of the same territory, and Israel is claiming much of the land they won in the 1967 conflict; my intellectual dilemma arises from two points: One; that Hamas (the ruling party in the Palestinian territory) has as part of it's charter the destruction of the Israeli people and their homeland: Two; that Israel has claim to the land they now hold plus a great deal more for thousands of years, where the Muslim claim only goes back 700 or so years.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Scott

One state is the end of the Jews in the Middle East, and everyone knows it.
This is a unbelievably 'woodstock' idea or more likely tongue-in-cheek intentionally proposing such.

Christiana have been purged from the Middle Est.
It would be far worse and faster done to the Jews.
Probably 1/3 would flee even before 'one state' started.

There would be NO constitutional protection for the Jews that couldn't eventually be amended by the ever-increasing Muslim demographic EVERYONE knows would result.

Then either by legal or persecution means, Jews would be cleansed and palestinian 'refugees'! (now only 10,000 real one alive) would run therm out

Any Jew proposing this is the pied-piper to the next holocaust.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Jim

It's time for you to wake up and rub those sleepy eyes. There cannot be peace with those committed to Israel's destruction. Hamas does not want peace. They want ALL of the Jewish homeland and they are committed to destroying the Jews. If Israel laid down her arms tomorrow and said 'We will fight no more'...she would be immediately destroyed. If the Arabs laid down their arms tomorrow and said 'We will fight no more', there would be peace in the Middle East.

You are right that 'land for peace' doesn't work. That only inspires the sworn enemies of Israel to want more and more. The onus is on Hamas and the Palestinians to create peace by stopping their attacks on innocent civilians in Sderot and by not attacking SCHOOL BUSES with anti tank missles. Let the Palestinians SHOW they are serious about peace then resend your letter to me.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Dara

alberto gorin
alberto_gorin@hotmail.com

i believe in living together if its
freemuslims nonie darwish walis shoebat
zuhader jasser,
thats not a problem

if you look at whos run palestine
hamas al qada islamic jihad plo fatch
thats a terrorist boot camp.
its about jihad sharia law

http://www.pmw.org.il/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5093

its just does t work

Posted May 31, 2011 by alberto gorin

Forcing anyone to leave their ancestral home is abhorrent. Not allowing people to return to the land of their birth is criminal. As an African American, I hope to someday return to my ancestral continent and find it in peace and functionally developed. The first thing I'd pack would be my love for people and the land where my fathers and mothers lived and died. The second thing would be my willingness to compromise (humility). I've been away for too many generations to claim land without thought of who had been their ahead of me. Therefore, I'd take the best spot offered rightfully to me and be thankful to be home. But most importantly, I'd carry a vision of what life would be like for my children, and their children in the place I've chosen. Do they really have a future there? Will they be free to grow old and wise in an uncontested land without fences and barbed wire? Will I doom them to exist in armed camps, waiting for violent outcomes year after year, decade after decade, lifetime upon lifetime. If so, then perhaps it is not a wise choice to force my children to kill or be killed.

The only solution is the water. Water seeks it own level and always returns to where it belongs. Once there, it cannot be moved for it is stronger than any other force around it.

I heard that all of the world's population could fit in an area the size of Florida USA. If so, there is a rightful place for everyone to have rightful room to grow peaceful generations.

To solve the world's troubles will take a worldwide solution. To ask Jews and Muslims to shoulder the responsibility to solve the Palatine question alone is unreasonable and unfair. Neither group created the crisis; it took the world and a world war to use both groups to create the mess we have today. The problem is as international as it is local. Every nation and every community must be made whole and equal as this proposal wishes to attempt for Israel. It is just as easy to solve the world's crisis of peaceful existence as it is to solve the crisis of these two brother nations. To ask Israel or Palestine to solve a problem neither created is not the bigger question or solution.

If someone would offer me free land and funding to move to a place I called home, I think I'd take it. If someone offered me land and sanctuary in a place I knew was someone else's home, I would be conflicted. Why must I be offered funding and land to go somewhere else and not be offered the same right to stay where I am? Or go somewhere I'd like better with the same options? Someone else is driving this movement.. who and why, is not the question.

If we truly wish to solve the crisis created by outside forces in the Middle East, then we must job back to those forces and challenge them to share in the resolution. Let's not dump this world problem selfishly into the laps of the Israelis and the Palestinians. This problem was created by hundreds of states.

If every nation in the world was made to repatriate its own, under reasonable conditions in functional numbers, then the crisis we find in Palestine/Israel would have a better chance of a just and peaceful lasting resolution.

I would welcome the chance to work and share my ideas of detailing a plan to solve this crisis, but it must be executed at the highest levels international, with open minded and thoughtful people at the table.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Arthur

Back to the historical future:
Historical "Palestine" consisted of about 45,000-sq-miles, encompassing all of modern Jordan. Jewish communities had existed in Jordan, when it was still "Palestine". They no longer do. The Hebrews were denied citizenship and some percentage were actively expelled (mainly from East Jerusalem--post 1948).
Modern Israel consists of 8,000 square miles and has a 20-25% Arab/Muslim citizenry. Gaza has been abandoned by Israel even though Jewish neighborhoods continuously existed therein for 3,400 prior years.
The "unity" described by the article can not work because the 'tribes' have too far different priorities and methods and ideally, should be segregated and not trying to create a hybrid fusion between modern Jewish parliamentarianism and Arab absolute authority. All that Jews (et al) can be counted on doing (for certain) is debate (and when we become bored of debating we bicker for a change of pace). In Arab society, one never questions (certain) authority (in public) and maybe not even in private.
However, the article correctly identifies that the large population of Palestinian-Arab so called "refugees" will not willingly be left holding an empty bag. Which is why the United Nations has been doing exactly the wrong thing by maintaining this population as if they will be relocating into Israel as citizens. They won't.
The reader might kindly understand the following critical point:
The normal and customary U.N. agency which deals with "refugee" affairs is the UNHCR. Part of their job is to permanently re-settle refugees into habitable surroundings. This agency has been (politically) detached from the Pal/Arab (displaced) satellite populations since the late 1940s. Since then, tens of millions of Arabs and Muslims have been welcomed with open arms into a variety of Western nations. How many have been from this initial grouping of Pal/Arab so called "refugees"? Do the math for the answer. 750,000 total in 1948. Today there are between 5 and 6 million, still living nation-less without human or civil rights. So, how many could possibly have been processed, resettled and granted nationalities--while still maintaining this large number unsettled? Very few. This is the reason for the conflict in 2011. The world must demand that the population of Pal/Arabs living in these Arab so called "refugee" camps be granted citizenship and civil rights IN THE VARIOUS NATIONS WHERE THEY WERE BORN, (not Israel).
Any other questions? Is it me, or are these problems becoming too simple?

Posted May 31, 2011 by Trollstein

Unity will never ever work. The palestinians want and wish to destroy Israel and get rid of the non muslims.

The main difference is:
- israeli jews tell the truth: they do not trust the palestinians; the ANP and Hamas keep educating children with no jews and no Israel
- palestinians are always deceiving: they preach peace and unity when speaking in english, and preach Israel's destruction and jews' killing when speaking in arabic.

I am really sorry, but the palestinians are the people that received the biggest amount per capita from every nation. For what?

The very first step to reach an agreement is starting by THE TRUTH. And Mr Abbas starts saying that the the roots of the palestinians are almost 7000 years old (canaanites), when the truth is that canaanites and palestinians have absolutely NOTHING to do with one another.

Enough of all this. Palestinians are not truthworthy. At least, the jews does not use their time killing arab-israelis who live in Israel. And this is an actual truth.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Morris Abadi

How can you say you've been "falsely" accused of wanting the destruction of Israel, when Hamas, the PLO, and Hezbollah have the same message that Israel will never be recognized as a country. By the way, how many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Koran? Also, since when has the last half of the Koran changed to reflect a change in attitude toward "kafirs"? When those organizations actively stop firing missiles into Israel,that would be a good start. What actions have these groups done to convince anyone who has a brain and eyes they seriously want to co-exist with Jews, Christians, or even with themselves?

Posted May 31, 2011 by Ralph

Finally someone who thinks straight. A two-State solution would have been possible in 1977 or at the very most in 1993. Now, it is no longer physically possible, with all the ongoing settlement building. One democratic State the respects the rights of ALL its citizens, regardless of their ethnicity, religion or language will provide the long-term solution to stability in the Middle East. The challenge now is to convince more Palestinians and Israelis that this is really where their realistic long-term interests are.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Abu Nour

The problem is "islam", and until its followers grasp that truth, along with the fact that "muhammad" was a false prophet, and therefore the "quran" a vile evil spew, nothing involving "islam" can ever be good or trusted. "islam" is truly a vile man made religion for narcissistic unreasoning male control freaks

Why the obvious evil falseness of "islam" and its entire history has not been outed and been proven a lie is beyond comphension. There is a better chance that the "moon" is made out of cheese than "muhammad" ever heard from God. There are many off the wall man made religions, but none so satanic as "islam", and no amount of paint/ makeup will change that fact: It is a lie straight out of the hell it threatens those who believe and unbelievers alike. You can not live in peace with people that their so called "god/allah" has orderd them to kill or subjugate. Like I said, "islam" is the problem.
any who do not bow the knee.

Posted May 31, 2011 by rocketman21

The major problem that the Israelis have with a One-State solution is that they could become a minority and end up under another dictatorship. And with their past struggles under everyone from the Egyptian pharoahs to Hitler, it is easy to understand such aprehension. However the great promise of this plan is that it contains a clause which would guarantee that both sides always have 50% representation. I have run the proposal past 3 lawyers, a congressman and a representative of the Israeli Embassy and the response has been favorable.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Howie Gardner

The whole Israeli debacle is caused by a fantasy brought down from the ages by people that believed that the earth was flat.
This religious crap has got the cease and desist, there isn't an invisible superman sitting on a throne in the sky waiting to judge our past deeds, the whole concept is insanity.
We reside on a small piece of dust in the universe and religlion is the main cause of conflict on this planet.
Barack Obama's statement about the borders of Israel where the same that Bush, Clinton, and Bush W. proposed, it's just the conservatives lying about his position and the right wing news media running with it.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Butch Krichmar

Yes, it's utopian. Yes, it's a start but nothing will happen as long as the Hamas refuse to recognize Israel and continue to lob missiles into their country. What can the Palestinians do about this? It's such a shame that so many Palestinian leaders have continued to spew hatred towards their neighbors. Israel is a fact! The Palestinians are bright, hard working people and do deserve good leaders who will encourage them to build their country and join the international community for the betterment of their people.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Anne Speake

What a puerile article! One would have to be a simpleton to come up with such a solution. That's like saying: let's all dance around the maypole and be friends, and everything will be OK! Or: if all countries laid down their arms, peace would prevail.
It just ain't gonna happen!
The one thing NOT factored in was the attitude of radical Muslims. Terrorism for them is a way of life, for without it they would lose their raison d'etre.
They do not want a settlement of the "Palestinian Cause," which would deny them their reason for living. They relish the opportunity to cause mayhem while blaming the Israelis for their situation. Some people will always find joy out of misery, which they don't want taken from them!
Besides, the Koran says that Muslims must not mix with non-Muslims, so until Muslims get that notion out of their heads, the status quo remains.

Niko

Posted May 31, 2011 by Niko

Asalama aleikum Mr. Nawash. May you be in good health.

From my years of research into the behaviors of Human Beings, I have come to believe that it is the Muslim and Jewish Religions that are keeping Peace from returning to Palestine/Israel. Both of these religions have teachings that deny the rights of non-members of their religions...and both seem to be based upon a total mis-interpretation of Allah or God. The Christian Religion is afflicted with the very same problem. All three of these religions are off-shoots of the ancient religion of Abraham and Moses. All three of these religions were politically structured in their very beginnings and not just the teachings of Muhammad(Pbuh) or Abraham (Obm) and later Jesus Christ(Obm). All three of these "Abrahamic Religions" need to be drastically changed....before a World without War will be possible.
(The very same interpretation can be applied to most other religions and philosophies such as Communism and Facism etc..)

About 60,000 years ago, Modern Human Beings began their migration out of Africa...and subsequently populated the far reaches of our Planet Earth. We are the same Peoples...one and all. We must do whatever takes to re-educate Human Kind to Live in Peace and Cooperation. War is not inevitable....but only occurs when "Wisdom" is absent. Wisdom is absent when we blindly follow the inherited and ancient gene instructions possessed by all living things. These genes prompt us to "survive" at all costs...and this means competition with every group outside of our own....instead of cooperating for the common good with all other Human groups. We must learn to recognize and control our primitive gene promptings. Religions are the "group values" that have come to be over time. Nature prompts all living things to live in groups. Groups do not have to be based in wisdom though. They merely have to provide a feeling of belonging to a strong group that will give us individual appreciation. Wisdom is found only in groups that allow a maximum degree of Individual Freedom....and particular the freedom to express publicly a personal opinion....about all things. Groups having little individual freedom are doomed to disaster...a lesson of our long and turbulent history.

Please visit my website at http://herodotus.jigsy.com and my good friend, David Anderson's website at www.InquiryAbraham.com David's writings are also available on www.Amazon.com .

I hope that peace will come to Israel/Palestine Peoples as well as to the rest of our world. It would be a shame to learn that we are such "stupid" living beings that we cannot understand the necessity for living in Peace and Cooperation...and take the educational measures needed to bring this about.

Wa Aleikum Salaam, Wa Rematulla, Wa Barakatuhu.....and best wishes for our common future.

Sincerely,

Order of Humanity

Posted May 31, 2011 by Nelson Horton

I agree with you, that this idea will work, but what is needed now is to defy the claim that its a jewish state.

I have gave a suggestion back in 1997;

How about a country with new name that doesn't include Israel or Palestine but give same treatment to all people who live in the area, that will be even better. This could be done by UN review the statistics and cencus abck from 1930's and every one who is able to prove that he/she was from that land then have the right to be citizen certification, once its determined who are the citizens of the land then they vote on a name they like to have under condition its not called any of the two names Israel or Palestine.

Any one who was born in that land has the right to be citizen of that land.

The new state should respect and recognize all religions. Why not since its secular.

This solution will work for the next 200-300 years until later we find another reason to fight for.

How about that?

Posted May 31, 2011 by Amar

Jerry& Kama:
Thanks for forwarding this email. I would also like to think that there is a solution other than constant conflict. There is a question regarding the binational state that concerns me. Will there still be a 50-50 representation of Jews and Palestinians once the Palestinian population exceeds 50 per cent of the total population? What happens when the population is 75% Palestinian and the Jews are a numerical minority? Two thousand years of Jewish history in the diaspora does not bode well for the Jews when they are a minority. Also, the example of Lebanon comes to mind as a binational state. I believe it was set up as a 50-50 representation of Muslims and Christians. The Christians are today a persecuted minority in a Hizbollah dominated state.

Regards,

former history teacher

Posted May 31, 2011 by steve

We need a lot of people like you Kamal. God bless you.

Happy Memorial Day!



Best Regards,


Pierre A. Maroun
Secretary General
American Lebanese Coordination Council

Posted May 31, 2011 by Pierre A. Maroun

Why don't you at least pay lip service to the role that the doctrines of Islam play in this conflict? Haven't you read the Hamas Charter? Don't you know that the Koran calls for war on the Jews (and Christians) until they are subjugated to Moslems? (9:29) Don't you know that Muhammad said: -- Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " This is part of the Hamas Charter; and Hamas is only part of the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood.

How do you propose to deal with this? Until you deal with it, your comments are not worth anything.

Posted May 31, 2011 by Carl Goldbrg

Posted May 31, 2011 by wk

Posted May 31, 2011 by Joe

Kamal, go with it! We have talked about this in the past and while you will receive criticism from both the left and right (both in the Middle East and the U.S.) its a plan very much worth introducing. Your case for other nation states and desire for unity i.e. South Africa and others and how it relates to Israel and Palestine is very compelling and if anything it will create some dialogue and discussion.

You more than anyone recognizes that the time for a new thought process for the Palestine and Israeli quagmire is now. Your point regarding the number of Palestinians of Israeli nationality is strong and according to recent demographics, that number will only get larger. Very similar to the rise of Hispanics in this country. (sore subject for you). Contrary to some extreme beliefs mostly by the conservative wing of the Republican party (and bigotted views of many American both Republican and Democratic) Hispanics don't intend to reconquer American nor make it a Spanish speaking land. They came here for one simple reason. A better life with regard to economics and security.

Go with your heart. You are still young and can provide a strong message. It is obvious that past efforts of creating a seperate Palestine and seperate Israel has not worked.

Wishing you well my friend.


Sincerely,

juan

Posted May 31, 2011 by Jua

Response 2.

Hey! Why not put the Blkans back together?

Or why not make One 'Pan-America' where the USA gives up sovereignty to be ruled by Hugo Chavez/Daniel Ortega?

All these anti-Nationalist schemes are aimed at ONE people; Jews.

Posted June 01, 2011 by Jim

3.SAY WHAT? ANTI-SEMITES?
WHO, US ANTI-ZIONISTS?
By Steven Plaut

Say What? Anti-Semites? Who, us anti-Zionists? US? We have nothing against Jews as such. We just hate Zionism and Zionists. We think Israel does not have a right to exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Heavens to Mergatroyd. Marx Forbid. We are humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers.

Anti-Semitism is the hatred of Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism and Israeli policies. The two have nothing to do with one another. Venus and Mars. Night and Day. Trust us.

Sure, we think the only country on the earth that must be annihilated is Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
[......]
We refuse to acknowledge the Jews as a people, and think they are only a religion. We do not have an answer to how people who do Not practice the Jewish religion can still be regarded as Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

We think that all peoples have the right to self-determination, EXCEPT Jews, and including even the make-pretend Palestinian "people". But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
[......]
We do not think the Jews are entitled to their own state and must submit to being a minority in a Rwanda-style "bi-national state", although no other state on earth, including the 22 Arab countries, should be similarly expected to be deprived of its sovereignty. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
[.....]
We think that Israel's having a Jewish majority and a star on its flag makes it a racist apartheid state. We do not think any other country having an ethnic-religious majority or having crosses or crescents or "Allah Akbar" on its flag is racist or needs dismemberment. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
[....]
So how can you possibly say we are anti-Semites? We are simply anti-Zionists. We seek peace and justice, that's all. And surely that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct03/plaut1.htm

Posted June 01, 2011 by abu afak

To abu afak:
Orwellian semantics.
"Zionism" was a social and political movement to reestablish a national home for the Jewish people On the day that Israel declared its independence, "Zionism" ended as a practical concept as was entirely replaced with Israel. Do we call women's rights advocates "suffragettes"? No. Suffragism ended when women in the USA acquired the right to vote. We no longer say "emancipation" either.
"When you say Zionist, you mean Jew. That's anti-Semitism . . . ! ".
[Rev. Dr. Martin Luther king Jr.]
Israel is a REFUGE for a historically pulverized population. They have thrived (not counting the ongoing violence) due to their REFUGE providing the safety and stability needed to do so, as opposed to historical tradition wherein Jews were seen (by the various majority groups) as a commodity put on Earth for their benefit, or disposal, as they chose.

Posted June 01, 2011 by Trollstein

thx T-stein.

We just separated the Balkans a decade ago.

Lebanon has been in tumult for decades because of the Muslim/Christian Rift. Now Hezbollah is winning.

Christians have been Purged from just about the whole M-E.
What few remain threatened by the 'Arab Spring'; including Eypt's Copts, Bethlehem/Gaza Christians/Iraq's too, are leaving in droves.

It was only MONTHS ago the South Sudanese (Christians & Animists who are fortunate enough to still be alive) were saved by the UN and from Arabo-Muslim North and have now created a New State.

But hey- let's throw the Jews to the wolves.
What planet are we on.
There is no one more naive (at best) than a Jewish 'peace' bumbler.

One can at least understand why Muslims/Arabs Love this 'one-state' crap.

abuafak@yahoo.com

Posted June 01, 2011 by abu afak

Posted June 01, 2011 by Gary

As can be seen by the many off-the-wall naysyers present in these commentaries, you will have your work cut out for you. Don't be discouraged. As a direct descendant of Moses, I can tell you from the history of the world, that "blessed are the peacemakers". However, those of us in the peacemaker camp must be willing to confront the know-it-all war-mongers, the extremists and the corrupt on both sides, because without courage from dedicated citizens, peace does not stand a chance. All of the rabid extremists promoting this tired concept of the "chosen people" or "my religion is better than your religion" must be shouted down. We are all the chosen people or else we would not be here.When religion developed around the teachings of some of the world's most advanced thinkers, philosophers and prophets is reduced some kind of juvenile posturing and slander, the grownups need to intervene. Now is such a time.

Posted June 02, 2011 by Jonathan Cole

Posted June 02, 2011 by Gary

Continuing..

So let's not put a First world Secular democracy under Hamas et al.

You must be kidding.

A country with more patents, NASDAQ companies per capita, etc etc, should go under the auspices of possibly a Hamas govt that doesn't allow dancing, wine, etc.etc.

[Again] no one would dare suggest an even less contrasting/Dangerous creation of 'Pan America' where the USA gives up sovereignty to be ruled by Hugo Chavez/Daniel Ortega.

And while the case above sounds silly, it's far Less dangerous than putting Jews under Islam. The sworn enemies of the Koran.

(who's REALLY Claiming "chosen" in the intl arena? Who wants penalty for insulting Islam and Death for apostates, the latter already practiced)

So again, it's been disastrous for Middle East and palestinian Christians, so why put the even more hated Jews under Middle Eastern Arab Muslims.

Posted June 02, 2011 by abu afak

So Let's try another experiment FIRST.

Let's take all these high-minded Muslim reformers (who seem set on Israel alone) and sic them on Muslim countries and see what happens to them.
Lets see how they do in Gaza City at least.

In fact, look at what's happened to Zudi Jasser in this country, America.

He like other Muslim reformers is an Outcast. Manji lives in fear of her life.

I say before we experiment/doom Jews, it would only be fair to try reform Islam on Islamic countries. No?

and again Jon Cole (reminiscent of Juan Cole), Israel is a Secular democracy where people of all Religions, Races, and Genders walk the streets, Vote, and worship without fear, including it's 20% Arab population..
This UNLIKE ALL it's neighbors, who practice "chosen" Islam.

Can one imagine a Gay Parade in Gaza City? Amman, Cairo? Ramallah?

Would anyone suggest putting culturally similar Americans under such a primitive govt?

Posted June 02, 2011 by abu afak

Hi Kamal.

The USA and Canada are a Federation of States.
In my opinion peace requires two States in a Federation.

The Federal borders are the restored united maximized resolving borders.
Jerusalem would be the undivided capital of the federation.

I have some of the answers and nobody cares.

Please read and send Yahuda my website for the peace you seek.
http://www.israel-palestine-peace.com

Thanks, Terry Hirchberg
Toronto Canada
Toll Free: 1-800-665-1102

Posted June 02, 2011 by Terry Hirchberg

"Let Us Live Together In Israel/Palestine" - You two authors are either completely naive or are obfuscating until Israel is destroyed. How can Israel have peace when, "Entertainment for Abbas and PA leaders: All of Israel is 'my land'".
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5124

Luckily, there are too many intelligent people willing to stand up to your ilk.

Posted June 02, 2011 by Steve

Mr. Nawash

I thank you first of all for allowing other to share their point of view, even if they TOTALLY disagree with you. That shows you are a true lover of free thought.

Like you, i share the vision of peace through desegregation. After all, it's done here in America. Where once an entire race was subjugated into lifelong forced labor, now, here in these same borders after many years of struggle and nameless lives lost in history, these two races not only dine with each other and live in the same neighborhoods, but also intermarry and can be found to live just as harmoniously as if there were no racial differences.
Once Catholics and Protestants had such a distrust for each other that had they segregated themselves from the other, even forming whole states for themselves. Now they embark on enterprises together and are as integrated as men with women. I would argue that they actually couldn't live without each other to help them grow ecnomically AND spiritually.

This kind of peace is achieved only when some important benchmarks are reached. First, there has to be an acknowledgement that your own movement (in your case, Islam) is practicing evil, and that it must be stopped and purged. Check -- you're doing that.

Second, you must break away from the "established" mindset of your group, and show in this courage that you are not only NOT part of them, but you intend to engage them and defeat them. This can be done by allying yourself with their enemies (who were perhaps once your enemies), but enemies-turned-friends can cause unnecessary betrayals later. In my wisdom, i would suggest that you do battle without allying yourself with anyone else -- if you truly believe your cause is just. Peace doesn't come by friendships and acquiescence; it comes thru battle and developing respect from your rivals and allies alike.

Third, challenge your own ideas even in your struggle. It's easy to argue with others and point out their flaws, but so few people, including organized groups, stop to do a little introspection, to make sure their heart and reasoning and agenda is righteous, to make sure the criticism from their opponents is unfounded. This is why we are urged to pray: not to change God's mind in events, but to remind ourselves what we're fighting, living, and dying for is (better be) holy and good. Self-corrections do not come from God -- we're not robots. They start from within.

Only when modern-day Muslims (fundamentalist and liberalized) purge themselves of this open (or latent) racial and ultimately religious hatred would there be any hope that Jews, Muslims, and Christians live opeacably together in there collective promised land. The Jews and Christians are already holding out ther hands of hope and peace.

Posted June 02, 2011 by Harbinger

Posted June 05, 2011 by abu afak

Abu Afak

U r living in the past. History is not on the side of Israel. Israel has persecuted the people of Palestine for too long. Israel needs to learn from South Africa and America and Give the people of Palestine equality.

Posted June 05, 2011 by George

How about acknowledging that 80% of the mandated region known as Palestine was given by the British to the Arab Hashemites in 1922 in return for helping defeat the Ottoman Empire? There was therefore an Arab Palestinian state (Jordan) in existence long before the creation of Israel. In addition, the West Bank and Jerusalem were occupied (and then annexed) by Jordan in 1948 and Jews were expelled from the city and barred from their holy sites until Israel reunited the city in 1967. Jewish property was given to Arab settlers/residents by the Jordanians who also awarded them Jordanian nationality. To expect Israel to revert to the pre-1967 situation is therefore ludicrous as most Arabs would agree if only they were aware of the historical truth instead of the emotive slogans.

Posted June 15, 2011 by Patricia

The Return of Palestinians

Why I Support the Return of the Palestinians

Palestine is not a dead object, it is a living country. Palestinians are her soul. Palestine is what Palestinians are re-creating in real time, in the same way that France is what the French create and re-create every day. It is a vast confusion of mind, to presume one can love France and abhor French, as what kind of France would exist without the French soul. Only silly tourists from rich countries, pestered by beggars, prefer to stay in reclusive posh hotels where they can enjoy the country without encountering the natives. It is like loving a beautiful lady but hating her character and her very essence. To love a country and wish away her inhabitants is the kind of romance that can only appeal to those who have a passion for necrophilia.

The late Russian thinker Lev Gumilev described a country as a symbiosis of people and landscape. Palestine and Palestinians are inseparable, the peasants and their olives and springs of water and the mountains and the domes of the ancestral sepulchres on the hill-tops need each other and have grown to complement each other.

The Palestinians are not an obscure mean folk. They created the Star of Ghassul, wrote the Bible, built the temples of Jerusalem and Garizim, the palaces of Jericho and Samaria, the churches of the Holy Sepulchre and Nativity, the mosques of Haram a-Sharif, the harbours of Caesarea and Akka, the castles of Monfort and Belvoir. They walked with Jesus, defeated Napoleon and bravely fought at Karameh. In their veins, the blood of Aegean warriors, Bene Israel, David's heroes, the first Apostles of Christ and Companions of the Prophet, of Arab riders, Norman Crusaders and Turkmen chieftains blended in the unique composition. Its spark did not run out: the poetry of Mahmud Darwish, the wisdom of Edward Said, the perfect olive oil, the fervour of prayers and the valiant courage of intifada prove it.

Without the Palestinians, Palestine dies. Her rivers run poisoned water, the sources dry out, the hills and valleys are disfigured, her fields are worked by imported Chinese, while her sons are imprisoned in ghetto. The idea of a separate Jewish state collapsed. During last ten years, the mad policies of Israeli government imported over a million of Romanians, Russians, Ukrainians, Thai and African laborers. Some of them claim Jewish descent: Peruvian tribes, Indians from Assam and the endless refugees from the Soviet Union moved in. Now the Jewish Agency plans to import a Lembda tribe from the South Africa, in order to ensure the Jewish character of the state. Paradoxically, those who still bear some part of the Jewish traditions are isolated in the Jewish state, as late Dr Yeshayahu Leibovich or imprisoned as the Moroccan Jewish Rabbi Arie Der'i.

The fantasy of the Jewish ingathering has collided with the reality. We must end the delusion. Let the sons and daughters of Palestine come back and rebuild Suba and Kakun, Jaffa and Akka. Instead of consecrating the Green Line, let us erase it and live together, the children of Palestine, of first settlers, of Moroccans and Russians.

We should live in one state, not only because of the blatant failure of Oslo. The very idea of partition is wrong. We can follow the example of New Zealand, where the European incomers live together with the native Maori, the example of Mandela's South Africa, the example of Caribbean, where children of Spanish settlers, African slaves and native Amerindians blended into the beautiful new race. Let us tear up our Declarations of false Independence and write a new one, of mutual dependence and love.

Posted July 06, 2011 by Israel Shamir

I imagine that all the liberals in the USA agree with this vision. I, however, disagree. Although YOU may want to live side by side, and many Jews may want the same, there are far too many radical Muslims who would just as soon murder children and babies in their beds.

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